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Ok..so Ill share a post with you folks I posted in a couple other forums...one on rawfood.com and another forum Im part of...
I couldnt beleive all the negative responces. 99% of them were nasty towards me and sympathetic towards the women who called the cops on me and the cop who arrested me. I do realize my post is quite hostile, but at the time I needed to vent and was extremely angry...anyways..below I will copy and paste it...
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Its fucked up.
So...recently I quit my job doing telemarketing with the evil company I was working for because the workplace was getting more and more hostile.
So I quit, and went to do some canvassing (fundraising door to door) for a non-profit that deals with environmental issues.
Its a stressful job and of course I got sent to fucking rich yuppie neighborhoods where people had houses of not just ONE, but TWO or MORE fucking SUV's!@ How DISGUSTING IS THAT!
Everyone who owns an SUV should hafta pay major taxes for every ounce of gas they burn with those polluting machines~!
The bible never said Babylon would be nice homes with manicured lawns, white picket fences, and fancy vehicles (hence why I dont refer to the bible for guidance)
Anyways...
I was in one of these Stepford Wives puke-worthy neighborhoods tonite, when this bitch decided to call the police for me because I was *hasseling her* with this information on environmental issues, and didnt just walk away the first time she said no thanks. So the bitch called the police who came minutes later as I was speaking to another woman, and they cuffed me painfully, put me in the car and made me sit there while they filled out paperwork. Then hassled me because I have a California ID, saying I need to switch it over to a NY one (even tho its NOT a drivers liscense and Im ONLY here temporary) and then the fucking PIG proceeded to tell me how people like me are a menace to society and are *harassing* people at home.
Well excuse the FUCK outta me that Im noble enough to actually try and EDUCATE these selfish greedy fucking maggot yuppies on important issues.
Of course if I was female and a big boobed blond, Im sure I wouldnt have been given anything...
But I was given a ticket, harrassed (never read my miranda rights) and threatened.
Nevermind that Im working for a 501C3 non-profit organization that in the township we were in does NOT require carrying a *soliciting permit/liscence*
which is what I was allegedly arrested for, which Im sure the TRUE thing, was that that bitch called in and she was rich and lived in her fancy neighborhood with her pesticide ridden lawn, her SUV and her fancy wood-chip chemical laden shrub garden, with her big fancy shmancy house.
That bitch can just kiss my hairy 3 quarters white, one quarter native american genderqueer drag-diva vegan, Essene, environmentalist activist ASS!!!
But then again, my ass is too good for her! She couldnt even afford to eat my shit.
Its DISGUSTING how these people get away with this shit. Yet if I happened to be a mormon or fucking jehovah witness harassing them door to door THAT doesnt require any kind of permit.
Fucked up government! I heard something the other day too about how the SUV owners get tax breaks too.
Anyways....so Im scheduled to go to court on August 14. It will probably be thrown out by then, but even if it isnt I have an attorney through the nonprofit I was working for (speaking of which, I QUIT) since they obviously dont have their shit together, and even if we didnt need a permit in that town, didnt have any info with us to show in case something like this does happen. Leave it to me, to be the example, and the lesson.
Sigh...
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Now in saying this I understand how some people may be upset by what I said, but everyone who responded failed to see the importance in the cause, regardless, and thats sad!
I realize that many people are ignorant of these important environmental issues, and ignore them because deep down they do care, and dont want to pay attention to them, lest they have feelings about it and have to do something. Its easier for them to ignore.
Whats your feedback here?
I hope its positive, because All Ive gotten is negativity and Im ready to explode emotionally over it...
Shekinah
I couldnt beleive all the negative responces. 99% of them were nasty towards me and sympathetic towards the women who called the cops on me and the cop who arrested me. I do realize my post is quite hostile, but at the time I needed to vent and was extremely angry...anyways..below I will copy and paste it...
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Its fucked up.
So...recently I quit my job doing telemarketing with the evil company I was working for because the workplace was getting more and more hostile.
So I quit, and went to do some canvassing (fundraising door to door) for a non-profit that deals with environmental issues.
Its a stressful job and of course I got sent to fucking rich yuppie neighborhoods where people had houses of not just ONE, but TWO or MORE fucking SUV's!@ How DISGUSTING IS THAT!
Everyone who owns an SUV should hafta pay major taxes for every ounce of gas they burn with those polluting machines~!
The bible never said Babylon would be nice homes with manicured lawns, white picket fences, and fancy vehicles (hence why I dont refer to the bible for guidance)
Anyways...
I was in one of these Stepford Wives puke-worthy neighborhoods tonite, when this bitch decided to call the police for me because I was *hasseling her* with this information on environmental issues, and didnt just walk away the first time she said no thanks. So the bitch called the police who came minutes later as I was speaking to another woman, and they cuffed me painfully, put me in the car and made me sit there while they filled out paperwork. Then hassled me because I have a California ID, saying I need to switch it over to a NY one (even tho its NOT a drivers liscense and Im ONLY here temporary) and then the fucking PIG proceeded to tell me how people like me are a menace to society and are *harassing* people at home.
Well excuse the FUCK outta me that Im noble enough to actually try and EDUCATE these selfish greedy fucking maggot yuppies on important issues.
Of course if I was female and a big boobed blond, Im sure I wouldnt have been given anything...
But I was given a ticket, harrassed (never read my miranda rights) and threatened.
Nevermind that Im working for a 501C3 non-profit organization that in the township we were in does NOT require carrying a *soliciting permit/liscence*
which is what I was allegedly arrested for, which Im sure the TRUE thing, was that that bitch called in and she was rich and lived in her fancy neighborhood with her pesticide ridden lawn, her SUV and her fancy wood-chip chemical laden shrub garden, with her big fancy shmancy house.
That bitch can just kiss my hairy 3 quarters white, one quarter native american genderqueer drag-diva vegan, Essene, environmentalist activist ASS!!!
But then again, my ass is too good for her! She couldnt even afford to eat my shit.
Its DISGUSTING how these people get away with this shit. Yet if I happened to be a mormon or fucking jehovah witness harassing them door to door THAT doesnt require any kind of permit.
Fucked up government! I heard something the other day too about how the SUV owners get tax breaks too.
Anyways....so Im scheduled to go to court on August 14. It will probably be thrown out by then, but even if it isnt I have an attorney through the nonprofit I was working for (speaking of which, I QUIT) since they obviously dont have their shit together, and even if we didnt need a permit in that town, didnt have any info with us to show in case something like this does happen. Leave it to me, to be the example, and the lesson.
Sigh...
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Now in saying this I understand how some people may be upset by what I said, but everyone who responded failed to see the importance in the cause, regardless, and thats sad!
I realize that many people are ignorant of these important environmental issues, and ignore them because deep down they do care, and dont want to pay attention to them, lest they have feelings about it and have to do something. Its easier for them to ignore.
Whats your feedback here?
I hope its positive, because All Ive gotten is negativity and Im ready to explode emotionally over it...
Shekinah
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Mon, July 23, 2007 - 9:38 PMYou were on private property, and refused to leave. Sounds to me like you got off easy.... -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, July 24, 2007 - 1:59 AMOf course I get a negative response. Figures. demonstrates once again how people just hafta be nasty.
As for refusing to leave..she never told me to. ANd if every activist just *left* the first time someone said theyre not interested, nothing would EVER change. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, July 24, 2007 - 6:21 AMDRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 7:52 AMIf you put out nasty, you are going to get it right back. Imagine how you would feel if the Pro-SUV and Pro-Pesticide coalition came pounding on your door with the same wack attitude that you are putting out and told you how ignorant and educated you were on the subject of SUVs. Nobody is going to listen to people who view them as bitches and the like. If anything though, they will respond as though they feel attacked and thus defend themselves, which it seems is what the property owner did. She said no, you admittedly harrassed her anyways and she called an outside mediator, in this case, the police, who you then, if you treated them anywhere close to the way you talk about them here, then you are lucky.
The cop was right, people like you are not helping anything. Michael Moore is singing to the choir, the folks on the other side don't even listen to what he is saying anymore. Trust me, I have tried converting folks and they refused to finish watching any of his films if they just don't agree with him. Beating people over the head with views didn't work on you, how do you expect it to work on other folks? Try presenting new solutions in a way that shows them how it will benefit their own lives as well as those of their children and family and their children's children, not how it makes them out to be an evil person. That's the church's job. ;-\ -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 7:53 AMedit: ignorant an UNeducated... oops.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, July 24, 2007 - 11:12 PMShekinah as someone who has been on the front lines of several "peaceful" (we where other parties where not) and has been hogtied, maced and cheap shotted and threatened by the police more times then I care to remember, let me just say this.
Anything I say to you other then "attaboy" is going to be a negative response. Now that I've attempted to qualify my experience let me say this.
You where out of line. The saying goes, you attract more flies with honey than a shitty attitude.
It is obvious to me that you are trying to affect a radical change in people who for the most part are more concerned about what their neighbors think than what you think. Your legal status or right to be their soliciting funds does not exceed the right of someone to have an undisturbed existence in their home. These laws exist to protect ppl from harassment from 7th Day Adventist, Mormons and Environmentalist alike.
Everyone has a place in the environmentalist movement, to include you. But having a negative attitude and harboring hate toward the very people you are trying to reach is possibly not the best idea.
Case in point, if you came to my door, and I expressed disinterest. It may not be because I'm not actually interested, but because I have someplace to be. If I come to my car and you continue to bombard me with your whatever, I'm legally entitled to have law enforcement come and enforce my right to personal peace on my property.
Thats the law, and why equal protection under the law is so important. Your rights as a non-profits solicitor will never exceed the rights of someone on their property and the only time the scales tilt is when you are a bill collector attempting to collect funds *WITHIN* the bounds of the law. I know this because I have done collections previously. Their is a line and once you cross it you are liable regardless.
Now having said all of this, I am very happy to see their are people out their with your level of passion and commitment to our cause. You are the opposite of that ignorant person that throws their garbage out of their single occupant SUV window while they are mindlessly and gratuitously wasting fuel paid for in the blood of innocent people and soldiers.
However this does not entitle you to wave Gabriel's sword of justice and act as the hand of the movement. Funding for nonprofits is vital, however the real change comes from the Government to the people... often through the actions of the ppl, but we can't forget the order of operations here.
I think you are wasting your time with door to door fund raising, you have to much passion for that. If you want to teach the people, teach the ones who want to learn, it is always the few that lead the many, but it is only the willing who learn. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 8:40 PMI think doctor said it all. We are met with challenges every day of our lives it is how we approach those challenges that make us who we are.
Being an activist does not give you the right to be an asshat. (dont take that personally)
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I mean this with equinimity and honesty.
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 11:23 PMYou have too much bullshit between your ears.
You're not an activist. Few people using that moniker are. You're ineffective and are making a nuisance of yourself.
You have to get it done in a way that IT GETS DONE. Being arrested and misunderstood is not part of that strategy.
You're not effecting change.
Can you hear this?
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Fri, August 10, 2007 - 1:53 AMClearly you have a lot of anger. That's not a criticism, simply an observation based on what you've written.
Do you think that might have been your attitude when you were at that person's door? Hence her response?
Being angry and righteous isn't going to win anybody over... attracting more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
Remember: it's not easy to change the world or the people in it. The woman who called the cops thinks she's as right as you think you are.
If you want the world to change, you have to change people's minds first. At that means getting them on your side.
Not easy, but treat people the way you would like to be treated and perhaps they'll be less likely to call the cops on you.
Not to say they never will, because changing the status quo means The Man may want to mess with you.
Keep the faith.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 8:23 AMI've been arrested for idiotic reasons as well. Here's what I've learned:
(1) You do not have to be read your Miranda Rights. If they don't read you them, then they can't use anything you say in court. That's it. They don't need to read them to you to arrest you.
(2) Nor do they have to have to tell you why they're arresting you. They'll make it up at the station.
(3) Cops are trained to treat people like shit if they don't bend over and bend over promptly, all ready lubed. You can see from people's responses that this is ingrained into American society. People telling you that you "got off easy?" You were a little pushy. Does this really warrant police activity? In this America, yes.
People who've never been arrested don't really quite understand the impact it has on you. It costs you money, it costs you money, you can lose your job (especially if you can't afford to post bail), et. al. People don't want to understand, all they know is they pushed a few numbers on their phone, talked with an operator, and got their revenge.
We see this same disconnect between theory and reality in many incarnations in the U.S., but I'm not writing a thesis here.
(4) Big titted women don't have it nearly as easy as you'd think. My friend, absolutely beautiful and 8 months pregnant, got shoved in the back of a police car and handcuffed as well, and had half the police squad called out so they could all check her out. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 6:43 AMYes he did get off easy. With his piss poor attitude and ignorant demeanor he should have gotten the dogs set out on him and an ass full of rock salt.
There are ways of doing things and there are ways NOT to do things and clearly from his post his attitude is one of an individual with a chip the size of Montana on his shoulder.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Sat, August 25, 2007 - 1:49 AMThis should read, "I got arrested for breaking the law." It's really that simple. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Sun, August 26, 2007 - 11:31 AMDo you get arrested for having garbage in your front yard? For littering in someone else's front yard? For throwing a party that's too loud? These are all breaking laws; you get citations and fines. Why exactly people think being a nuisance to someone--who is capable of closing the door and getting on with their life--justifies jail time is beyond me, and it very much disgusts me. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Sun, August 26, 2007 - 3:16 PM"Do you get arrested for having garbage in your front yard? For littering in someone else's front yard? For throwing a party that's too loud?"
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Mon, August 27, 2007 - 11:17 AMMy ass. Both are instances of undesired intrusion upon people's comfort zones and nothing more. There may have been a case of the solicited fearing for their safety, but that seems more than a little incongruous to the reality of the situation (he was frustrated).
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Mon, August 27, 2007 - 11:21 AMIf you can explain to me why an adamant solicitor deserves _jail time_, deserves to be thrown in with all sort of real criminals (They don't sort them all out until you've been there a few days), deprived of their freedoms, and taken for a substantial amount of money, instead of just charged a substantial amount of money (a very good punishment in a capitalist society, lifetime being traded for money) I'm all ears. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, September 25, 2007 - 12:53 AMAn adamant solicitor would deserve jail time if he were on my property and I asked him to leave. Atleast, that's how I understand the law, though I've not read the specific criminal code here in California where I am now, I am quite familiar with that particular criminal code in Texas after having been arrested for trespassing myself. If I recall correctly the code in Texas says, "a person is trespassing if there are signs posted or of the person has been asked to leave by the owner or the owner's agent...." In my case, the overzealous law enforcement officer failed to qualify as the owner's agent as he received no direct authorization from the owner to remove me from what was a publicly accessible piece of property. Fortunately, I had good representation.
The law and criminal violations thereof have nothing to do with what a person deserves. It is simply the best means by which we can qualify how our society is governed. In this case, laws against trespassing and the appropriate penalties are pretty well developed in most jurisdictions.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Sun, September 30, 2007 - 10:50 PMYour post doesn't really jive:
"An adamant solicitor would deserve jail time... that's how I understand the law..."
"The law and criminal violations thereof have nothing to do with what a person deserves..."
The laws are the system's--of which we are all apart and consent to--way of collectively defining "bad behavior" and what the appropriate reprecussions for it are. The difference is I, and the poster, do not feel that it is appropriate in the poster's situation that he be thrown in jail and required to go through a lengthy and expensive court process, and I fail to see how anyone could say it is appropriate. There's a myriad of ways this situation could have unfolded. This particular way strikes me as heavy handed, unnecessary, and uncompassionate. -
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 2:22 AM"and they cuffed me painfully, put me in the car and made me sit there while they filled out paperwork. "
"But I was given a ticket, harrassed (never read my miranda rights) and threatened"
How does this equate with 'arrest', or 'jail'?
Having personally been cuffed, arrested and jailed for conspiring to kick a hackey-sack, I'm not saying the cops are always right.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 1:51 PMThread title: "I got arrested doiing environmental activism..."
Post doesn't say anything one way or the other about having been let go or going to jail.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 5:39 PM> Your post doesn't really jive
You're right, I do contradict myself. I think it's a semantic issue.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Sat, October 6, 2007 - 5:21 AMHere's my input. What you were doing was for a good purpose and the cops were way out of line. You should find a good attorney and sue their ass. I am willing to bet that the bitch in question was connect to some people in some way and used her contacts to get more than a normal response to the call.
On the other hand. All of the other ranting you go on about which has nothing to do with the core issue just detracts from your case and makes you look rabid and whacko. If you responded with even a portion of that vehemence and blathering when the cops showed up you are lucky all they did was arrest you. People have been shot by the police for less.
It is however quite a crime that the consumer yuppy morons are ruining the planet and also very arrogant and militant about fighting against environmental causes. Reminds me of lemmings when you think about it.
Of course the whole stepford wives suburban yuppie mentality is based on delusional and self destructive behaviors designed to cover up their own inadequacies.
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, December 11, 2007 - 7:55 AMyeah - she asked you to leave and you didn't, and then got arrested?
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Re: I got arrested doiing environmental activism...
Tue, December 11, 2007 - 2:37 PMyup,
i get pissed off when the damn pizza guy wont stop leaving flyer's on my gate, you come to my house pushing any thing that i dont want and your damn right i'm gonna call the cops. (beats the hell out of me kicking yer ass.)
I just couldn't resist posting something on this.
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