Well, if we all do all we can hopefully it won't have to come to a choice between liberty and sustainability.

We really don't need to end up in a future where food and water have to be rationed and we all live in hovels except for the very wealthy like in Soylent Green.

Liberty goes out the window real fast when things get scarce. The historic record shows that repeatedly. Liberty turns into anarchy which leads to despotism in short order and nobody wins.

I believe that liberty is as much of an illusion as self-reliance.
And until you can show me somebody who already has - in their possession - EVERYTHING they could ever possibly need to survive indefinitely, (without an exception) I will continue to believe that.

And when an emergency/disaster situation arises, your liberty is the first thing to take a less-than auxiliary role.
Therefore it may as well be a shred of your baby blanket which you carry with you to protect you from the lions, tigers and bears, because that liberty isn't gonna help you when you're faced with 25 armed dudes who want your property or some other such situation.

Try speaking idealistically about your liberty if you are sitting on your roof in the middle of a flooded city and you can't get down because the water is poisoned. Where's your liberty at that point when you are one of thousands who are unable to act on your liberty because there isn't anyone to help you? If only you hadn't forgot to put a boat and a chainsaw (and gas & 2-stroke oil) in your attic... oh well, no more liberty because your self-reliance fell slightly short.

We are probably the only country in the world that encourages the individual to pretend they are more important than the whole.
The *idea* of radical liberty is an enabling mechanism within that faulty, egocentric and thickly proud "reality". And I'm not talking about Capitalism. I have no quams with it, just its radical version.

I think Libertarianism (like most belief systems) is great until it becomes radical and fundamentalist and then it ceases to be functional, due to its frozen, unbending state. Every system should allow for certain crucial exceptions to be made, otherwise it's constricting and liable to break under pressure.

>>As for which to choose, consider this, choosing liberty over sustainability is a sure route to having neither in due course.

>"a society that's willing to let go of a little bit of liberty to get a little bit of security will gain neither and lose both"
>Benjamin Franklin.

Except we are talking about sustainability, not security and Franklin was not always right either, especially in his later years after he partied so much in France.