Lets talk about unwarranted and childish and I quote "BioFuel is a joke and not the answer! Growing our energy , now the world doesn't have enough food to eat. One problem to the next. Lets get it right!" Maybe I'm stupid, but this to me is an inflammatory statement backed by emotion but little else. These kinds of statements are historically called trollling en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll I'll leave it to you to follow up on the definition if you have any questions.

In case you hadn't noticed this is the "Biodiesel Tribe" not the Ethanol Tribe, you probably didnt notice all that well that the topics here are "Proponents, activists, and other adherents of the many practical and other benefits of biodiesel." again the mention of biodiesel. So if you want to talk about the matter of being on topic you could start there.

Secondly you are rehashing a conversation that has been IMHO been beaten to death here and also long before the media picked the story and well before you hopped in with your off topic comments on ethanol.

Thirdly planting anything in the soil depletes it. Thats why crop rotation and fertilizing methodology are not only common practice but government mandate. Reference "The Dust Bowl" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dust_Bowl I'll leave it to you to follow up on that as well.

Fourthly the whole push for alternative bio-energy thing is *SOLELY* and I MEAN SOLELY the result of the Corporate Farm Lobby who has single handedly managed to push the price of food commodities through the roof because the oversight for alternative energy is outlined by policies that the Bush Administration setup. Policies that encourage relief and subsidy for corporations and farmers that dont need it and does not encourage the development of non-food commodity based fuel sources. Ethanol can easily be produced as a byproduct from a variety of other sources and yet its not. Profit over all else, which has proven to be the Bush Administration Legacy.

Biodiesel on the other hand by most of the users ON THIS TRIBE is produced by people who are RECYCLING WASTE VEGGIE OIL. I'm pretty sure there isnt a single farmer here growing food crops and pressing them for oil.

Finally I do not feel that your ethanol discussion is on topic for here. To expand on that I feel that gasoline engines are not only inferior in technology but also not efficient enough to even waste alternative fuel resources on. Ethanol is already a net loss of 10% by volume over gasoline when comparing efficiency, when you compound that with the fact the a gasoline engine is 10-30% less efficient than a diesel and your looking at a technology that even when its clean(er) burning is at a net loss in actual energy produced by up to 40% . Why bother putting ethanol fuel even into a hybrid that gets worse gas mileage than a VW TDI from 5 years ago?

So I'm not going to pat you on the back for bringing up an old topic, or coming here with incomplete facts and inflammatory statements fueled by emotions... and I can only imagine what television show you are citing for your information/reference... I haven't yet begun to get stupid on you and I'd prefer to stick to the facts instead of judging your level of maturity or getting into another atypical flame war. But I will be happy to oblige you if you continue to attempt to lob insults.

So now since you've brought up your off topic inflammatory comment, lets hear you formulate an intelligent opinion (on ethanol production) to defend yourself.

a tear has fallen...

waste.....vegetable........oil

WASTE

vegetable

oil

do you understand that restaurants have to pay companies to dispose of their waste oils
that we bio freaks come along and collect for them
to save them money

and give us bio fuel
we're not only saving the environment, but also our pocketbooks and their pocketbooks, without having to "grow our energy" as you put it


WASTE
VEGETABLE
OIL

got it?

good