What the hell is this secret additive?

topic posted Sun, October 2, 2005 - 11:57 AM by  Rocky
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What is your opinion of this website & the "REVOLUTIONARY - Alternative Diesel Fuel Additive"

The big deal is - " There Is NO Conversion Necessary ! "

So, They're saying that with this secret additive, one can use waste veggie oil without the need to convert any hoses or anything at all.

What the hell is this secret additive?

Bottom line is, is this for real or some kind of a scam?

www.dieselsecrets.com/

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    Re: What the hell is this secret additive?

    Sun, October 2, 2005 - 4:12 PM
    well i guess i might just have to try it and see..

    i've been suspecting the additive route is the way to go for a while.. i actually started to contact an outfit out of Canada
    that made an antigelling compound (probably isopropyl alcohol) about whether they had researched this..they said they had a product that would work but i never followed up on it as i became involved in a move..

    i had plans of getting a model engine and mixing veg oil with
    transmission fluid and seeing if that worked for any length of time compared to regular diesel.. then i was going to sacrifice a vw diesel to the cause..

    i probably still will..but now i have one more combo to mix and try..

    whatever it is it should still burn clean, just a little higher in NOx like other SVO/WVO solutions..
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      Sun, October 2, 2005 - 5:39 PM
      I think it must be something other than an alcohol product since that would put a lot of wear & tear on the hoses. It says - no modifications necessary.

      My point is that this secret additive must not be patented & is probably something we can mix ourselves for next to nothing. I feel like I'm dependent on this secret additive already.
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        Sun, October 2, 2005 - 7:44 PM
        well feel free to get a hold of a toilet paper filter rig to filter
        used tranny fluid.. perhaps you could measure out a couple of
        different veg oil/transmission fluid mixtures..

        it would be be very scientific, but perhaps it could be mixed into a couple of spray bottles..and then sprayed on the finest setting.. one can even spend money on the pressurized kind like the bug spray ones but smaller..i'd be curious which mix
        sprays better.

        another test would be poking a hole in the bottom of a plastic
        cup..a small hole that is subsequently measure with a caliper... probably made with a fine point.then fill each cup with a measure quantity of fluid and time which one is quickest..quicker would be thinner i imagine..

        couple of unscientific tests..might just have to find a way to make them more precise but here is a start..

        what i would like is a spare injector pump i could hook to an electric motor and spin it and observe the effect on the single injector i would hook it to..

        has any had any other theories as to what fluid is oil soluble but very thin? i theorized tranny fluid but would love hear some thoughts..

        i do agree that whatever it is perfectly duplicatible..
        thus the secrecy. i tried to send them mail about volunteering some testing services in exchange for publicity..but all my mailings come back.wonder whats happening over in diesel
        secret additive land..is this take the money and run time?

        or perhaps they are getting so many replies their isp or server or whatever is completely overloaded..
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          Thu, March 27, 2008 - 5:57 PM
          Wow I am amazed at the hyper bable here, does no one have the answer to what this stuff is. Dam,,, I bought the stuff, figuring it was much cheeper than one of those heat exchanger kits for my car/truck $2,500 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greed is setting in even with the hippies claming to me environmentalists. Yeah, Im a little pissed. You see once you buy the stuff then yes you are told to add diesel or karosean, gasoline, octan boost and then there SECRET STUFF the most expensive part by far. here is the link to what it really is. What I ask from you bablers is what might be some common names and places to find such chemicals. the web address to what the hell the secret really is.
          www.sise.columbia.edu/clean/m...enes.pdf I think benzene is the stuff put in cigaret lighters, and toluene is pretty bad stuff wich can absorb throught the skin quickly, but hey, don't get it on your skin and were eye protection and use in a well vetalated place and bla, bla, yeah yeah. Somebody will try a law suit for being a stupid. but where the heck does average geo get toluene. and what is a common name, place for O-xylene. Still, maybe better than bio-diesel??
          But after that you have to find the used oil,,,,, fact, now many resturant oil /tallow works now pic up for free next will be they soon (and I have heard some are paying the restaurant owners a small (very small) fee for their used oil) This is not easy no mater what people say. if they cook meat the meat fat is often put in the same place as the used fryer oil. Then you have to filter out all that crap, and guess what when it has sat out side of the back of the restaurant in the sun and the rain it gets ransid and even more nasty. The small restaurants maybe the best but do you want to drive all over town and city picking up a gallon or two here and a gallon or five there? I went to harbor freight to get pumps and stuff, what cheep chinese stuff how long will it last!!! If it was a real for sure deal I'd get better stuff likely $2-300 worth of hoses, pumps, filters, containers, and time,, lots and lots of time. lets be real here.
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    Re: What the hell is this secret additive?

    Sun, October 2, 2005 - 8:45 PM
    I asked the same question about this stuff with another thread called "Anyone familiar with this product".

    Doc said he would buy some and give it a try.
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      Mon, October 3, 2005 - 8:47 AM
      My brother in law bought some over a week ago. So, I'll get to see first hand what the deal is.

      I'll probably have to help build a waste veggie filtering/cleaning system with him.

      Any suggestions or websites to help out with that?
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        Sat, October 8, 2005 - 6:06 PM
        Okay, it's in ... You're not going to believe this. They give a list of things that need to be added to the fuel -

        per 50 gallons of veggie oil

        - 5 gallons / 10% kerosene
        - 2.5 gallons / 5% unleaded gasoline
        - power service additive 37 oz octaine boost for diesel at www.powerservice.com/

        - DSE secret 8.5 oz. contains: xylene, napthalene, naptha

        They give you a parts list for you to go & buy to make your own waste veggie filtering system. To view their video, you have to get the secret whatever it is thingy from them & then you can view the online video.

        On the Secret additive it says, "contains: xylene, napthalene, naptha"

        What do ya think. We haven't built the filtering system yet. I'll keep ya'll posted on how this pans out.
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          Sun, October 9, 2005 - 1:36 AM
          actually i already suspected some kerosene was involved..
          gasoline doesn't surprise me either..and then xylene,napthalene, and naptha even makes sense...after all are those chemicals used to this oil based paints?

          now we need to see what the octane boost is, but i wouldn't be surprised if that was part was isopropyl alcohol but you could probably use propane injection to great effect and be nice to your seals and fuel lines..
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            Sun, October 9, 2005 - 1:38 AM
            actually now that i visited the powerservice site i'd bet filtered Automatic tranny fluid would fit the bill just fine for lubricating the fuel injector pump and cleaning off the injectors..
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              Sun, October 9, 2005 - 7:51 AM
              now, having given that bit of info, isn't there a better way, or cheaper way to do this without having to purchase their "secret additive" ?

              Is anyone aware of a really good video on this - a how to make your own fuel out of waste veggie oil? I know there are some but I mean a really good one that would help to simplify the process & keep the price down.
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                Sun, October 9, 2005 - 3:58 PM
                well has doc gotten batch of additive yet? would you be willing to send a sample of what you recieved in the mail to someone with a gas chromatograph? all we need to know is the proportion of the naptha, napthalene, and xylene..

                then i will mix this set of compounds with the rest of the recipe and instead of the powerservice additive i will substitute about 10% filtered tranny fluid.

                before i run my engine i will replace the injectors..i'll run the mix for 100 hour intervals and inspect the injectors upon reaching this threshold..

                initially i will run it this way only, but after a few intervals i'll add either propane injection or alcohol vapor injection..
                probably i'll start with the propane..

                at some point i would like to try alcohol though as i have plans for a 7 gallon an hour still that makes 180 proof.. i will also be getting an ATF license for it and i'll get the ceramic Xeolite pellets that pull most of the water out of it so it will be more like 195 proof or higher..

                i'll be happy to share my results..it will be a long term project as answers to questions off the beaten track always require someone to run experiments. we could make faster progress if we divided the project up and ran parallel experiments..i.e.
                i'll jump right to the alcohol injection if someone else will try the propane..perhaps someone who is already equipped to do it could try it..

                first things first someone has to be willing to send a sample..
                i could ask my University friends to supply the chromatograph.. anyone willing to seal up a sample in a vial and mail it? there might be special mail procedures to follow..

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